Donald Trump, did he win the election?

This video from the USA says about itself:

Trump Elector: Gay People Should Hang

23 November 2016

A Montana Trump elector feels that gays should be hung. Ana Kasparian and Kenny Hamilton, hosts of The Young Turks, break it down. Tell us what you think in the comment section below.

“One of Donald Trump’s electors isn’t backing down from the hateful comments he made six years ago calling for the murder of gays.

Dennis Scranton, one of Montana’s three Electoral College voters, made the explosive comments in a 2010 Facebook rant against same-sex marriage. Scranton wrote:

“I think fruits are decorative. Hang up where they can be seen and appreciated. Call Wyoming for display instructions.”

His remarks about Wyoming appear to refer to the brutal murder of gay University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, who was tied to a fencepost outside Laramie and tortured in 1998. He later died of his injuries.

Reached this week by the Billings Gazette, Scranton made no apologies.

“Don’t forget, I’m 93 years old. I come from a different era. I hadn’t heard of anyone being homosexual until I joined the Navy, and then I encountered them,” Scranton said. “We were raised with good morals.”

Read more here.

In calling for death by hanging, Mr Scranton differs somewhat from other homophobic self-styled Christian extreme rightists in the USA. Some of these call for stoning LGBTQ people to death. Some for imprisoning them behind barbed wire of concentration camps.

By Patrick Martin in the USA:

Hillary Clinton leads by two million in US popular vote

24 November 2016

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s lead in the popular vote over Republican Donald Trump now tops 2 million votes, according to a tabulation of results reported by each state and reported by the nonpartisan Cook Political Report.

Clinton has received 64,223,958 votes to Trump’s 62,206,395, with several million more votes remaining to be counted, mainly mail ballots in California postmarked by November 8 but received by election authorities after that date. Vote counting in California is slowed by the length of the ballot, which includes a large number of complex referenda proposals.

Under the antiquated Electoral College system, which grossly over-represents smaller rural states at the expense of California and other heavily urbanized states, Trump has won 306 electoral votes to Clinton’s 232. A vote in the Electoral College, set for December 19, will officially entitle Trump to take the oath of office next January 20.

Clinton’s lead of 2 million votes is far greater than the margin in any previous US presidential contest in which the popular vote loser was installed as president by the Electoral College. Her margin of victory in the popular vote, approaching 2 percent, is greater than that of seven candidates who actually won the presidency.

The antidemocratic character of Trump’s election “victory” has not deterred leading Democrats … from prostrating themselves before the “president-elect.” …

Trump himself raised the subject Tuesday in the course of his hour-long, on-the-record discussion with editors, reporters and columnists of the New York Times. He noted criticism that he had not won the popular vote, and then argued that he could have done so if he had campaigned in the most populous states such as California, New York and Texas.

No one at the Times pressed the issue with him—or any other issue, for that matter. The transcript records a generally cordial discussion, punctuated at least 15 times by laughter. No one would guess, reading the transcript, that the newspaper had excoriated Trump not only in its editorial pages and op-ed columns, but also in its news pages, declaring him unfit for the presidency and a threat to American democracy. The verbal broadsides are forgotten, replaced by bowing and scraping before the new “commander-in-chief.”

Despite the media cover-up, however, Trump’s heavy defeat in the popular vote is significant. It underscores the fact that his installation in the White House is not the product of an embrace of his ultra-right policies by the American people.

Democratic candidates have won the popular vote in six of the last seven presidential elections, but in two of the six popular vote victories, the Democratic candidate—Al Gore in 2000 and now Clinton in 2016—fell short in the Electoral College.

In 2000, when Gore won nationally by 540,000 votes, the election was stolen through the Supreme Court intervention to halt the counting of legal votes in Florida. The notorious Bush v. Gore decision effectively awarded Florida’s electoral votes to Bush and made him president.

A group of computer scientists and election lawyers charged this week that the 2016 election result is equally dubious. They presented a report to leading Democrats, including Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and general counsel Mark Elias, arguing that the vote totals in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania had been manipulated in favor of Trump.

So, Trump lost the popular vote. Did he really lose the electoral college as well?

Green party presidential candidate Jill Stein thinks so.

By Rebecca Shapiro in the USA:

Jill Stein’s Recount Effort Raises Millions In Just Hours

The fundraiser surpassed its $2 million goal late Wednesday night.

11/24/2016 12:18 am ET

Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein’s call to raise funds to support vote recounts in three key states was met with ease late Wednesday, with the fundraiser reaching its $2 million goal in less than one day.

Stein’s press director announced Wednesday afternoon that the Green Party candidate needed an initial $2 million to support recounts in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania, three states where President-elect Donald Trump performed better than expected.

I have two questions about this.

1. If there are suspicions of vote fraud, then why does one need two million dollars and more millions (estimate: 6 to 7 million dollars) to challenge that? Why does one need to either be a millionaire, or get lots of money from many people, to challenge possible fraud?

2. Why is Ms Stein doing this challenge, instead of Ms Clinton, the victim of this vote fraud; if there was vote fraud?

Final certified election results from all 50 states and the District of Columbia show that Democrat Hillary Clinton won the popular vote over Republican Donald Trump by a margin of nearly three million votes: 2,864,974 to be exact. The final figures, tabulated and reported by Cook Political Report Wednesday, showed Clinton with 65,844,610, 48.2 percent of the total vote, and Trump with 62,979,636, 46.1 percent of the total votes: here.

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  4. The commentariat has been treating Clinton’s popular vote win and electoral vote loss as some kind of anomaly.

    Maybe it’s not. Maybe it’s simply what you see when right-wing red state voter suppression comes to fruition.

    Think about it: we have some states that encourage voting, a/k/a blue states. We have some states that suppress voting, a/k/a red states. Quick quiz: What happens when lots of people vote in the blue states, and few people vote in the red states?

    Correct. The candidate who wins the blue states wins the popular vote, and the candidate who wins the red states wins the electoral vote. Q.E.D.

    The votes have finally stopped dribbling in. Hillary won 2.7 million more votes than The Donald. She won the popular vote by 48% to 46% — fairly close to pre-election polling. And yet the projected electoral vote is Trump 306, Clinton 232.

    Think about that. We call ourselves a democracy, and yet the candidate who won the popular vote – not narrowly, but by 2.7 million, which is more than the total number of people in fifty different nations – she is denied victory. Howzat?

    Because in the blue states, voters vote, and in the red states, well . . . .

    Since the 2012 Presidential election, Republicans in Wisconsin have imposed brutal voter suppression laws on an innocent electorate. And last month, Wisconsin had the lowest Presidential turnout in twenty years.

    But that’s just one state. According to the Brennan Center, fourteen states instituted voter suppression laws since the previous Presidential election: Alabama, Arizona, Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Hampshire, Ohio, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, and Wisconsin. The impact is precisely what was intended. Here are the numbers.

    The U.S. Elections Project put 2016 turnout among eligible persons (not foreign citizens, not ineligible felons, not children, etc.) at 59%.

    There were twenty states that fell short of that. Nine of them instituted new voter suppression laws. Of the 30 states that exceeded the national average, only five had instituted new voter suppression laws.

    Texas enacted pervasive voter suppression laws during the last few years. Only 43% of the adult population of Texas, and just 51% of the eligible population, voted last month.

    Among the ten states with the highest turnout, Clinton won eight. Among the ten states with the lowest turnout, Clinton won three.

    In sum, right-wing voter suppression is working, and it is working bigly, as our President-Elect would say. It certainly worked bigly for him.

    Article IV, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution guarantees to us a “republican form of government.” And if we allow voter suppression to continue, we will be guaranteed a Republican form of government. That is the clear and present danger.


    Rep. Alan Grayson


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    > Final Popular Vote Total Shows Hillary Clinton Won Almost 3 Million More Ballots Than Donald Trump
    > It’s by far the largest margin of victory in the popular vote for a candidate who did not win the election.

    > Donald Trump is set to be sworn in next month as the 45th president of the United States, despite garnering almost 3 million fewer votes than his challenger.
    > With the presidential election results now certified in all 50 states and Washington, D.C., Hillary Clinton won a total of 65,844,610 votes ― 48.2 percent ― compared with Trump’s 62,979,636 votes ― 46.1 percent ― according to David Wasserman of the nonpartisan Cook Political Report . Other candidates took 7,804,213 ballots, or about 5.7 percent of the popular vote.
    > All 50 states + DC now certified:
    > Clinton: 65,844,610 (48.2%)
    > Trump: 62,979,636 (46.1%)
    > Others: 7,804,213 (5.7%) … — Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) 11:51 AM – 20 Dec 2016
    > Clinton’s margin of victory in the popular vote is the largest in raw numbers for any candidate who has gone on to lose in the Electoral College. Her margin of victory is almost six times larger than that of Democrat Al Gore, whose popular vote win in 2000 is now the second-largest in this category. Gore received about 500,000 more votes than Republican George W. Bush, but came up short in the Electoral College after a hotly contested race in Florida.
    > Trump’s substantial deficit in the popular vote makes his margin by percentage of votes the third-worst among winning candidates since 1824 (when the popular vote was first officially recorded), according to an analysis by The New York Times published earlier this week.
    > Thanks to the Electoral College, none of this matters. Trump won 306 electoral votes to Clinton’s 232 on Election Day, securing him a comfortable victory last month. Although many of Trump’s opponents had spent the past few weeks trying to figure out how they could deny the real estate mogul a path to the White House, the Electoral College on Monday further secured his win.
    > A total of 304 electors cast their votes in favor of the GOP nominee, meaning just two Republican electors defected. Some 227 cast their presidential ballots for Clinton, with five Democratic electors switching their vote. Those seven defecting electors voted for other candidates.
    > Trump’s team has tried to deflect focus away from the popular vote over the past month, with Trump himself even mentioning what he referred to as a “massive landslide victory” in the Electoral College. PolitiFact ruled that claim “false,” noting that Trump’s win ranks near the bottom in terms of the portion of total available electoral votes won by a candidate.


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    > Can We Finally Ditch the White Working-Class Myth? Obama-to-Trump Voters Weren’t the Problem

    > Was the 2016 presidential election determined by “economic anxiety” among the white working class? That persistent media narrative has again been shown to be largely untrue.
    > Writing in the New York Times, Stephen Phillips explained that “hundreds of articles” have argued the importance of pursuing lower-income white voters who supported Barack Obama in 2012 and then “bolted” to Donald Trump last November.
    > The far more important — and largely untold — story of the election is that more Obama voters defected to third- and fourth-party candidates than the number who supported Mr. Trump. That is the white flight that should most concern the next D.N.C. chairman, because those voters make up a more promising way to reclaim the White House. The way to win them back is by being more progressive, not less.
    > Whoever prevails as chairman must resist the pressure to follow an uninformed and ill-fated quest for winning over conservative white working-class voters in the Midwest. The solution for Democrats is not to chase Trump defectors. The path to victory involves reinspiring those whites who drifted to third-party candidates and then focusing on the ample opportunities in the Southwest and the South.
    > Phillips’ comments mirror findings by political scientist Jonathan Rodden that show that Donald Trump’s much ballyhooed “populist” uprising in the Rust Belt was a chimera. Hillary Clinton won the larger and more populous metropolitan areas in states such as Indiana, Ohio and Pennsylvania. Donald Trump eked out his victory by winning by large margins in less populous Republican suburbs and more rural areas in those states.
    > In total, Donald Trump managed to defeat Hillary Clinton in the Electoral College count because of FBI intervention, voter suppression, low voter turnout and possible Russian interference, in combination with sexism, racism and the fact that too many Democratic-leaning voters switched to third parties.
    > The influence of various kinds of racial animus is overwhelming and undeniable: Social scientists and other researchers have repeatedly shown that white racial resentment, “old-fashioned” white racism, an absurd belief that white people are somehow oppressed in America, ethnocentrism and “social dominance behavior” mobilized Trump’s base and carried him to the White House.
    > The news media’s slavish devotion to its narrative of white working-class anxiety is irresponsible. It’s a distraction from the way Trump’s election has reinvigorated and inspired white supremacists and other members of the American far right. The “white working class anxiety”narrative also serves to normalize the authoritarian leanings of Trump voters and other toxic values. This false narrative also makes it more difficult for the American people to put current events in the proper context.
    > Since Donald Trump’s election in November, the United States has seen a record spike in hate crimes targeting Muslims, people of color and other marginalized communities. The Southern Poverty Law Center recently reported that white supremacist websites and have seen a huge increase in traffic because of Trump’s campaign and election. There has been an wave of anti-Semitism since Donald Trump’s election: Jewish temples and community centers have received bomb threats, and Jewish cemeteries have been vandalized. These events are wholly predictable given the fact that Trump has been embraced by white supremacist organizations and neo-Nazis — and that he has filled senior positions with white nationalist sympathizers like Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller, Michael Anton and Sebastian Gorka.
    > Under pressure, Trump eventually issued a statement condemning these acts of racism and anti-Semitism, to which the executive director of the Anne Frank Center responded:
    > The President’s sudden acknowledgment is a Band-Aid on the cancer of anti-Semitism that has infected his own administration. . . . [Trump’s] statement today is a pathetic asterisk of condescension after weeks in which he and his staff have committed grotesque acts and omissions reflecting anti-Semitism, yet day after day have refused to apologize and correct the record. . . . Make no mistake: The anti-Semitism coming out of this administration is the worst we have ever seen from any administration.
    > Given these and other facts, why has the news media been so wedded to its narrative of white working-class anxiety? Too many journalists, it seems, were determined to view Trump’s ascendancy as being caused by something other than racism and authoritarianism. These same voices were also more dedicated to finding the “better angels” and “decent hardworking Americans” among Trump’s public than in highlighting the “basket of deplorables” who are his voters and supporters en masse.
    > Most important, the media industry is a business that prioritizes ratings and advertising revenue over truth telling. The elite tier of the American news media also prizes access to power and the powerful. This ethos led these media representatives to fear alienating Trump and his future administration; consciously or otherwise, they chose to positively massage their coverage of him and his voters.
    > In a democracy, the media is supposed to help educate the public so it can make informed political choices. By circulating romantic myths about the white working class during and after the 2016 presidential campaign, America’s media dramatically failed in its responsibility. The burden is now placed on the American people to force the news media — through activism, boycotts and focused protest — to tell the truth about Donald Trump and the dangerous social and political forces that installed him in power.
    > With good reason, the Fourth Estate now faces a crisis of legitimacy in the United States. At this moment, representatives of America’s news media will either choose to speak truth to power and reinvigorate their role as the guardians of democracy or will be ground under by cowardice, sycophancy and weakness. The latter avenue is clearly open to those who value profit over virtue.


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