Afghan massacre, more than one ‘bad apple’, Karzai says

This video from the USA is called Afghanistan Massacre Fallout.

By Ben Chacko:

Karzai backs claim of US massacre cover-up

Friday 16 March 2012

Afghan President Hamid Karzai today backed claims that more than one person had conducted the massacre of 16 civilians which US forces have blamed on a single soldier.

At a meeting with relatives of the nine children, four men and three women who were slain Mr Karzai said villagers’ accounts of the atrocity were “widely different from the scenario depicted by US military officials.”

The president pointed to a villager at the meeting and said: “In his family people were killed in four rooms and then they were brought together in one room and set on fire. That one man cannot do.”

He also blasted the US for refusing to share information from its investigation into the outrage, which was conducted in two separate villages.

A government delegation sent to Kandahar to investigate had “not received the expected co-operation of the United States,” he said, adding that he would raise the issue with the occupying army “very loudly.”

Back at the presidential palace in Kabul Mr Karzai said the ever-escalating civilian death toll by Nato occupiers was intolerable and repeated calls made a day earlier for total withdrawal from rural areas.

“This has been going on for too long,” he said. “You have heard me before. It is the end of the rope here. This form of activity, this behaviour cannot be tolerated. It is past, past, past the time.”

The United Nations has found that 2011 was the bloodiest year yet in Afghanistan, with over 3,000 civilian deaths.

The president said he had received a phone call from his US counterpart Barack Obama asking if he meant what he said about withdrawing from the countryside and that he had replied: “Yes, I announced this.”

But the US military said it did not believe he meant it should withdraw from such areas immediately and refused to comment on his criticism of its investigation into the Kandahar massacre.

Mr Karzai has limited leverage with the occupying powers who enthroned him in 2004 and who gauge that his government has little chance of remaining in office once they are gone.

A Turkish military helicopter crashed into a house near Kabul yesterday, killing 12 soldiers on board and two children who were in the building.

Four Afghan civilians and 12 Turkish soldiers were killed in a crash involving a NATO-operated Turkish chopper. The vehicle came down on a house and burst into flames in the Bagrami district, close to the capital Kabul: here.

Afghanistan: Doubts cast on US massacre account: here.

Afghan Probe Finds 15-20 US Soldiers Involved In Kandahar Killings: here.

Within 48 hours of the Pentagon’s confirming the identity of the US soldier arrested for the massacre of 16 Afghan civilians, including nine children, there are mounting questions about the official explanation of the bloody events of March 11: here.

After Bales‘ Arrest, Military Tried to Delete Him From Web. David Goldstein and Matthew Schofield, McClatchy Newspapers: “Besides waiting nearly a week before identifying the Army staff sergeant who’s accused of killing 16 Afghan villagers, the US military scrubbed its websites of references to his combat service. Gone were photographs of the suspect, Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, as well as a recounting in his base’s newspaper of a 2007 battle in Iraq involving his unit that quoted him extensively. But not really”: here.

In wake of Afghan massacre, tensions mount between US and its puppet Karzai: here.

Afghan Massacre: Pattern Of Savage U.S.-NATO Acts In Several Nations: here.

US troops are still sending Afghan people to prisons where they are likely to be tortured despite official promises that they would stop: here.

War Is Brain-Damaging: here.

Since the naming last Friday of the soldier charged with massacring 16 Afghan civilians, the media has sought to make this horrific crime comprehensible by delving into the history and personal problems of Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, while studiously ignoring the criminal nature of the war itself: here.

Former Guantanamo Psychiatrist Promotes Dubious Drug Theory on Afghan Killings. Jeffrey Kaye, Truthout: “Using false information; faulty interpretation of documents and innuendo; and in one case, withholding key disclosures regarding their background, these authors took a serious issue – the dangerous psychiatric and neurotoxic effects of mefloquine on some people and the history of the use of this drug by the military – and twisted it to further an agenda that just happened to match US interests in limiting speculation about the Kandahar massacre to Bales”: here.

US Military Holding Kandahar Massacre Wounded Incommunicado: here.

Civilian Deaths In U.S. Wars: When Will They End? Here.

27 thoughts on “Afghan massacre, more than one ‘bad apple’, Karzai says

  1. Report: US sent detainees to banned Afghan prisons

    Posted: Yesterday at 5:05 pm

    KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — A report released Saturday by two rights groups says the U.S. sent some detainees to Afghan prisons where torture was found despite an announced moratorium on such moves.

    The report by the Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission and the New York-based Open Society Institute suggests that Afghanistan’s international allies are still failing to ensure that people captured on the battlefield are treated humanely despite a massive reform program in recent months.

    NATO forces regularly hand Afghans that they have captured over to Afghan authorities after they have decided that the detainees are no longer an immediate threat. But the coalition stopped such transfers to 16 Afghan detention facilities shortly before a U.N. report was issued in September that found evidence of torture at those prisons.

    The report documents 11 “recent, credible cases” in which detainees said they were captured by U.S. personnel, then transferred to an Afghan facility in Kandahar where U.N. investigators had found evidence of torture.

    The transfers happened after July, when NATO and U.S. forces stopped sending detainees to the facility because of torture concerns, the report said.

    U.S. military officials could not immediately be reached for comment, but are cited in the report as saying that there are no NATO or U.S. military forces transferring detainees to the facility, which is operated by the National Directorate of Security, or NDS — the Afghan intelligence service.

    “There is compelling evidence that at least some U.S. forces or personnel continue to transfer individuals to NDS Kandahar despite not only a widely acknowledged risk of torture but also evidence that detainees transferred to NDS Kandahar by U.S. forces have been subjected to torture,” according to the report.

    Interviews with detainees and U.S. responses to queries suggest that “there may be U.S. forces or personnel, perhaps including C.I.A. or other U.S. intelligence officials,” operating outside of these commands and who have detained people and sent them to the supposedly banned facilities, the report said.

    A U.S. embassy spokesman said that American officials had not yet received a copy of the report.

    “We have not seen the report, and so can’t comment,” spokesman Gavin Sundwall said.

    The report — which also details abuse at nine Afghan intelligence service facilities and “several” prisons operated by the Afghan police — was based on interviews with more than 100 detainees between February 2011 and January 2012, along with interviews with lawyers, legal aid workers, detention facility officials and government representatives, the authors said.

    The U.N. report issued in September found evidence of torture at 16 Afghan detention facilities.

    Since then, NATO has started an intensive program of inspections and trainings at the flagged prisons, and has resumed prisoner transfers to 12 of the facilities that it says have instituted reforms. The Kandahar facility is one of the four that have not been approved to resume transfers.

    NATO officials have said that Afghan authorities at first rejected any accusations of abuse but have since worked with NATO on the reforms.

    Saturday’s report, called “Torture, Transfers, and Denial of Due Process,” names a number of facilities that were not flagged in the United Nations report. But the facility that receives the most criticism is the NDS Kandahar facility, where the report say there has also been recent evidence of beatings and being shocked with electric cables.

    “Monitors received 10 credible allegations of abuse in NDS Kandahar as recently as January 2012,” the report said.

    (Copyright (c) 2012 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved


  2. Communists want vote on Nato base

    Russia: The Communist Party is calling for a referendum on Nato’s “criminal plan” to establish a military base in a Volga city to ease the strain on the Western military alliance’s supply chain to occupation forces in Afghanistan.

    In a statement the party demanded a referendum before the final decision is made.

    It claimed that the government has “repeatedly demonstrated its inability to protect Russia’s sovereignty, integrity and independence.”


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  4. Mar 21, 2012

    Death Penalty for Staff Sgt. Bales? Not Likely.

    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta says the death penalty is possible if a U.S. military court finds an Army staff sergeant guilty of gunning down Afghan children and family members. But it isn’t likely.

    Reporter: Associated Press

    WASHINGTON (AP) – Defense Secretary Leon Panetta says the death
    penalty is possible if a U.S. military court finds an Army staff sergeant guilty of gunning down Afghan children and family members. But it isn’t likely.

    The U.S. military system has been slow to convict Americans,
    particularly service members, of war crimes. When it does happen,
    punishment can range from life in prison to simple house arrest.
    Click here to find out more!

    In the case of Army Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, the suspect in the March 11 Kandahar shootings, legal experts say he could face a lengthy prison sentence if convicted. But the experts say the military jury deciding his fate might well show some leniency. The last service member executed for a crime was killed in 1961.

    Copyright 2012 Associated Press. All rights reserved.


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  6. Pentagon disputes Afghan claim of earlier bombing

    The Pentagon on Wednesday disputed claims by Afghans near the villages where a U.S. soldier is alleged to have killed 16 civilians that there had been a roadside bombing in that vicinity a few days earlier that wounded U.S. soldiers.

    By ROBERT BURNS; AP National Security Writer
    Published: 03/21/12 11:58 am | Updated: 03/21/12 2:58 pm

    WASHINGTON — The Pentagon on Wednesday disputed claims by Afghans near the villages where a U.S. soldier is alleged to have killed 16 civilians that there had been a roadside bombing in that vicinity a few days earlier that wounded U.S. soldiers.

    A Pentagon spokesman, Navy Capt. John Kirby, said U.S. officials have found no record of such an attack.

    Villagers have said they are convinced that the March 11 massacre, allegedly carried out by Army Staff Sgt. Robert Bales, was in retaliation for the roadside bombing of a U.S. military vehicle on March 7 or 8. They said it occurred in Mokhoyan, a village about 500 yards east of the base where Bales was working.

    Villagers also have asserted to The Associated Press and to Afghan authorities that U.S. troops lined them up against a wall after the earlier roadside bombing and told them that they, and even their children, would pay a price for the attack.

    “What I can tell you now is that we don’t have any indication that either the attack that’s being described occurred, and certainly no evidence that there were any threats of retaliation by U.S. soldiers, but investigators are looking at everything right now,” Kirby told reporters.

    Separately, a U.S. defense official said it is likely that a soldier from Bales’ unit, based in the Panjwai district of Kandahar province in southern Afghanistan, suffered a leg wound a day or two before the March 11 shootings, but military officials have no evidence that this has any connection to the massacre. The official spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss an internal review.

    The leg wounding was first mentioned publicly by Bales’ lawyer, John Henry Browne, who has said that his client was upset around the time of the village massacre because a buddy had lost a leg in an explosion on March 9.

    The U.S. defense official said that while there are indications of such a wounding there is no evidence that Bales witnessed it or the aftermath or that this played any role in his actions on March 11.

    U.S. criminal charges are expected to be filed soon against Bales, who is being detained at Fort Leavenworth, Kan.

    Afghan officials have asked the United States for some role in the criminal proceedings, perhaps as observers, and to be kept up to date on the process of the case. The government of Afghan President Hamid Karzai has not demanded that Bales be turned over to the Afghan justice system, although some in the country’s parliament did. The Afghans have also urged a fast resolution of the case.

    Both issues were topics of discussion between Afghan Foreign Minister Zalmay Rasoul and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton at a State Department meeting Wednesday.


  7. APNewsBreak: Soldier had 2nd assault incident


    Associated Press

    OLYMPIA, Wash. — A second incident involving alcohol and violence surfaced Thursday in the background of the Army staff sergeant suspected of killing 17 Afghan villagers — a 2008 accusation that he thrust a woman’s hand to his crotch and fought with her boyfriend.

    A Pierce County Sheriff’s Department incident report obtained by The Associated Press quoted a woman claiming Robert Bales told her she was beautiful, then “pulled her hand to his crotch” outside a Tacoma, Wash., bowling alley. The deputy described Bales as “extremely intoxicated.”

    The report says Bales began punching and kicking the woman’s boyfriend. When the boyfriend raised one leg to stop the kicking, Bales grabbed the leg and pushed him to the pavement, according to the incident report.

    Each person involved in the incident was drunk, to the point of mumbling and slurring their speech, according to the deputy’s account.

    A call seeking comment on the 2008 incident from Bales’ attorney, John Henry Browne, was not immediately returned.

    Details of the incident follow a report this week that Bales had been arrested in 2002 for a drunken assault of a security guard at a Tacoma casino. That charge was dismissed after Bales completed 20 hours of anger management training.

    U.S. military officials say Bales was drinking on a southern Afghanistan base before he crept away to two villages overnight March 11, shooting his victims and setting many of them on fire. Nine were children. Eleven belonged to one family.

    Records show that Bales was not charged in the 2008 incident at the Paradise Bowl.

    Pierce County prosecutor Mark Lindquist said his office considered the case for a possible charge of assault in the fourth degree but determined that it did not meet charging standards. He didn’t know the specific reason behind that decision but said he suspected it was because there were no injuries, lots of alcohol and no evidence as to who started the scuffle.

    Lindquist also noted that the incident report said the couple initially told authorities they didn’t want to press charges, something he said prosecutors would take into consideration.
    FILE – In this Aug. 23, 2011, file photo Defense Video & Imagery Distribution System photo Sgt. Robert Bales takes part in exercises at the National Training Center at Fort Irwin, Calif. It is still not known if Bales, who allegedly massacred 16 Afghans was ever diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder _ but even if he had been that alone would not have prevented him from being sent back to war. The Army diagnosed 76,176 soldiers with PTSD between 2000 and 2011. Many returned to the battlfield after mental health providers determined their treatment worked and their symptoms had gone into remission. The case of Bales has sparked debate about whether the practice needs to be re-exmained. The Army is reviewing all its mental health programs and its screening process in light of the March 11 shooting spree. . (AP Photo/DVIDS, Spc. Ryan Hallock,file)

    Reached Thursday, the woman involved, Myra Jo Irish, agreed with the officer’s narrative in the incident report, but denied his characterization that she and her boyfriend were intoxicated.

    “I was just basically in shock that some stranger would walk up and do that,” Irish said.

    Irish said that Bales was with a group that pleaded with her not to file charges.

    They told her Bales was drunk and if she “could be so kind” not to file an official report. “His friend said he was married and in the service, and it would destroy him” if she filed charges,” Irish said.

    Irish said she met with a sheriff’s deputy and gave him a written statement at the bowling alley. The deputy who took the report did not return a phone call seeking comment.

    In the 2002 casino incident, the police report says two security guards told Bales to leave, but he picked up a trash can lid and rushed the guards, punching one in the chest before they tackled him.

    Also in 2008, Bales was involved in a hit-and-run accident in which records show he ran bleeding in military clothes into the woods. He told police he fell asleep at the wheel and paid a fine to get the charges dismissed, according to court records.

    In 1998, Bales was cited for possessing alcohol at a Florida beach, though the citation was later dropped.

    Bales’ attorney has said his client was injured twice while deployed to Iraq.

    On Feb. 1, he was assigned to a base in the Panjwai District, near Kandahar, to work with a village stability force that pairs special operations troops with villagers to help provide neighborhood security.
    FILE – This photo from the Norwood, Ohio High School 1991 yearbook shows Robert Bales who graduated in 1991. Bales boasted of being one of the good guys, a proud patriot who enlisted in the army just two months after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and engaged in some of the fiercest fighting in Iraq. But the gung-ho military volunteer had a darker, more troubled and contradictory side – which surfaced over and over during his sometimes turbulent life. The 38-year-old Army staff sergeant is accused of killing 16 Afghans, including nine children in March 2012. (AP Photo/Yearbook via The Cincinnati Enquirer)

    Browne has said Bales has a sketchy memory of the night of the shootings.

    Bales has not been formally charged, and is being held at the military prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kan. A U.S. official said Thursday he will be charged with 17 counts of murder, assault and a string of other offenses in the massacre of Afghan villagers as they slept. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the charges had not been announced.


    Associated Press writer Lolita C. Baldor in Washington, D.C., contributed to this report.


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    Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.


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  17. Victims testify about details of Afghan massacre

    From our Press Services
    Posted November 10, 2012 at 8:30 a.m.

    JOINT BASE LEWIS-McCHORD, Wash. (AP) — Stories of the massacre came, one by one, over a live video link from Afghanistan into a military courtroom outside Seattle: torched bodies, a son finding his wounded father, boys cowering behind a curtain while others screamed “We are children! We are children!”

    As the Afghans recounted the horror that left 16 dead in the darkness early on March 11, the U.S. soldier accused of carrying out the rampage sat quietly in the courtroom.

    At one point, Staff Sgt. Robert Bales moved closer to a large monitor showing the testimony. At other times, he watched as it played on a laptop screen in front of him. Either way, he gave no discernible reaction to the stories he heard.

    Speaking through an interpreter, one Afghan closed his remarks with the words: “My request is to get justice.”

    The hearing at Joint Base Lewis-McChord is meant to help determine whether Bales, 39, will face a court-martial in the deaths of the seven adults and nine children. He could face the death penalty if he is convicted.

    Bales, an Ohio native and father of two from Lake Tapps, Wash., has not entered a plea and was not expected to testify. His attorneys have not discussed the evidence, but say he has post-traumatic stress disorder and suffered a concussive head injury while serving in Iraq.

    The hearing, which began last Monday, was held overnight Friday to accommodate the Afghan witnesses.

    They recounted the villagers who lived in the attacked compounds and listed the names of those killed, to provide a record of the lives lost. The bodies were buried quickly under Islamic custom, and no forensic evidence was available to prove the number of victims.

    The youngest witness was Sadiquallah, a slight boy of about 13 or 14 whose head rose just above the back of the seat he was sitting in. With his ears sticking out from beneath a white cap, he described being awakened screaming that an American had “killed our men.”

    He said he and another boy ran to hide in a storage room and ducked behind a curtain. It provided no protection from the bullet that grazed his head and fractured his skull. Sadiquallah said the shooter had a gun and a light, but he could not identify the man.

    The other child was hit in the thigh and also survived. He is scheduled to testify Saturday night.

    As those two were hiding, Sadiquallah’s older brother, Quadratullah, sought refuge with other children in a different part of the house. When the gunman found them, Quadratullah testified, the children scrambled, yelling “We are children! We are children!”

    The boys’ father, Haji Mohammed Naim, was the first person shot at the home. He testified that he was awoken by shots and dogs barking. He asked his wife to light a lantern, and saw the shooter climb over a compound wall.

    “He jumped from the wall, and I just saw the light on his head,” Naim said. “He just started shooting me.”

    Asked how close the gunman was to him when he was shot, the thick-bearded Naim gestured toward a water bottle on the table in front of him, less than an arm’s length away: “He was as close as this bottle.”

    One older son, Faizullah, recalled being awoken by someone telling him there had been a shooting at his father’s compound. He rushed there to find him with a gunshot wound to the throat. One of Naim’s daughters was also wounded, as were two neighbor siblings.

    Faizullah said he loaded the wounded into a car, using a blanket to lift some of them. They were treated at a nearby base, then flown to a bigger military hospital in Kandahar. All five survived.

    Khamal Adin, who had a beard and was wearing a turban, sat at the witness table with his arms folded, his head tilted to the left. He described the carnage at the second village, Najiban.

    The morning after the rampage, Adin said he arrived at a compound belonging to his cousin, Mohammed Wazir. Wazir had been away on a trip, and he found Wazir’s mother lying dead in a doorway, a gunshot to her head.

    Further inside, Adin said, he found the bodies of six of his cousin’s seven children, the man’s wife, and other relatives. The fire that burned the bodies was out, but he said he could still smell smoke.

    When Adin began to testify, Bales moved from his seat to be closer to the courtroom monitor.

    Adin was asked if he could say he personally saw the bodies. He answered: “Yes. I have seen each individual and took them out by myself.” Asked to describe the injuries, he said: “Everybody was shot on the head. … I didn’t pay attention to the rest of the wounds.”

    Prosecutors say Bales broke his shooting rampage into two episodes, attacking one village, returning to the base and then departing again to raid another.

    In between his attacks, he woke a fellow soldier, reported what he’d done and said he was headed out to kill more, the soldier testified. But the soldier didn’t believe what Bales said, and went back to sleep.

    Dressed in green fatigues, two Afghan National Army guards recounted what they had seen in the pre-dawn darkness outside the base the night of the killings.

    One guard recounted that a man had arrived at the base and did not stop even after he asked him three times to do so. Later in the night, the second guard said, he saw a soldier leave the base — laughing as he went.

    They did not say the soldier was the same person nor did they identify him as Bales


  18. Police: Afghan massacre too big for lone US soldier

    12 Nov 2012 10:23 – Sapa-AFP

    A lone shooter could not have committed the massacre of 16 Afghan villagers blamed on a US soldier, a witness has testified.

    The defence witness said the extent of the carnage, wrought overnight in two villages near a US army base in March, was too great for it to be the work of only Sergeant Robert Bales, facing a possible court martial.

    “One person cannot do this work,” said Khudai Dad of the Afghan Uniform Police, who searched the scene of the killings the next morning. “One person doesn’t have the courage to go from one village to another in the night.”

    Bales, balding with close-cropped blond hair and wearing standard army combat uniform, showed no emotion as he watched the testimony on a small monitor placed in front of him.

    He faces 16 counts of murder, six of attempted murder, seven of assault, two of using drugs and one of drinking alcohol. Seventeen of the 22 victims were women or children and almost all were shot in the head.

    The 39-year-old allegedly left his base in the Panjwayi district of Kandahar province on the night of March 11 to commit the killings, which included nine children. He allegedly set several of their bodies on fire.

    Prosecutors at a pre-trial hearing, held on an army base south of Seattle, have alleged that Bales left the base twice to carry out the killings, returning in between and even telling a colleague what he had done.

    For the last three nights it has heard testimony by video link from southern Afghanistan – held at night to allow witnesses to give their accounts during the daytime.

    Dad, the last witness to appear by video link, said he believed the two attacks must have happened simultaneously.

    He said he went first to the US base, then to what was described as the first crime scene. Although the Afghan National Army (ANA) were only supposed to secure the scene until he arrived, some shell casings were missing.

    “The ANA was there before I [arrived]. They picked up all the shell casings, all the rounds,” he said, adding that he himself had found a total of 13 shells.

    In one house, “there was blood in the entrance when the woman came to the front door and was shot,” said Dad, a slight man with a mustache and spectacles.

    After searching three homes in the two villages involved, he said he was struck by the impression that more than one person would have had to be involved.

    “I was thinking this is not a thing that one person can do,” he said, while adding that he believed the attacks occurred at the same time as each other, somewhere between midnight and 3am.

    Bales was flown from Afghanistan back to Fort Leavenworth, Kansas shortly after the alleged massacre, before being moved back to Fort Lewis-McChord recently, home base of the US 2nd Battalion, 3rd Infantry Regiment.

    His wife and two children were moved to the sprawling military base south of Seattle for their own security, and to shield them from the glare of the media in the wake of the killings.

    Before the hearings, Bales’s wife reiterated her belief that he was innocent, saying he did not remember the shootings and was shocked when he was told details of the allegations against him.


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