USA: 9/11 families against Republican Presidential candidate Giuliani

From the YouTube text of this video:

Yes, it’s former N[ew] Y[ork] C[ity] mayor Rudy Giuliani in drag having his “breasts” shamelessly violated by “Apprentice” tycoon Donald Trump. Clip from new doc GIULIANI TIME, by Kevin Keating, opens May 12 at Landmark Theatres’ Sunshine Cinema in NYC. More at

From PEEK blog in the USA:

Taylor Marsh: First [US Republican Presidential candidate] Rudy [Giuliani] quits the Iraq Study Group to raise money for himself, now victims’ family members say “He did nothing” on Sept. 11th. That “9/11 armor” is thinner than he thought.

This post, written by Taylor Marsh, originally appeared on Taylor

This is a follow up, because no one is following up. Seriously, is anyone covering this story? It broke this morning, but so far it’s been **crickets**. Rudy Giuliani ducked out of his Iraq Study Group responsibilities. You’d think that would be news, even big news. MSNBC covered it. Anyone else? Rudy Giuliani is asked to be on the Iraq Study Group, but he fails to show up because he’s too busy raising money?

Presidential Campaign Staffs Dominated By Men: Giuliani The Worst Offender: here.

Robert Fisk about 9/11 conspiracy theories: here.

9/11 and the CIA: here.

20 thoughts on “USA: 9/11 families against Republican Presidential candidate Giuliani

  1. Re: *Rudy missing in action for Iraq panel*
    Posted by: “James & Cherie Mabrey” catawbademocrat
    Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:49 am (PST)
    I really am shocked that the Post and Courier reported that, not only did
    Ravenel buy cocaine in 2005 but continued until now. That he was
    crisscrossing the state using it with “friends”. Who are these friends and
    does that include other elected officials? Others in your home town? The
    republican York County SC Coroner was charged with a similar charge last
    year – is this related? Where are these upstanding folks getting their
    drugs? No, don’t tell me, I don’t want to know. BTW, Ravenel was in charge
    of Giuliani’s SC campaign.



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    S.C. treasurer indicted

    Sanford suspends Thomas Ravenel, who faces cocaine charges

    By Yvonne Wenger

    The Post and Courier

    Wednesday, June 20, 2007

    Sanford suspends Thomas Ravenel, who faces cocaine charges

    As he crisscrossed South Carolina campaigning for the job of state treasurer
    last year, Thomas Ravenel was buying cocaine and using it with friends,
    state and federal officials say.

    And, they say, it has been going on ever since.

    Gov. Mark Sanford suspended the Republican constitutional officer after he
    was indicted Tuesday by a federal grand jury on cocaine charges. If
    convicted, the Charleston real estate developer faces $1 million in fines
    and 20 years in prison.

    “Given the grave nature of these charges and what is alleged in this
    indictment, we’re left with no choice but to suspend Treasurer Ravenel
    immediately,” Sanford said Tuesday afternoon. “These are obviously very
    serious allegations that we’re constitutionally bound to act upon, and
    they’ll ultimately be decided by the courts.”

    U.S. Attorney Reginald Lloyd said Ravenel, 44, has been indicted on one
    count of “conspiracy to possess cocaine with the intent to distribute.”
    Although they would not say how much cocaine was involved, the penalties
    given for the offense correspond to charges for less than 500 grams of

    “I want to be clear that while the investigation is ongoing, we are not
    alleging at this point and do have no evidence at this point, to suggest
    that Mr. Ravenel is selling cocaine,” Lloyd said. “Rather, we allege that
    Mr. Ravenel purchased cocaine for himself and provided the drugs to others
    for their personal use.”

    Ravenel had cocaine in his possession since at least late 2005 and “up to
    the point of indictment,” Lloyd said. He would not comment on whether
    Ravenel had or used cocaine on state property. Because he handles state
    funds, officials said, the FBI was notified about the investigation.

    State Law Enforcement Department Chief Robert Stewart said Ravenel emerged
    as a participant in an ongoing cocaine sting in Charleston County. The
    investigation found that Ravenel was buying powder cocaine and sharing it
    with “an undisclosed number” of people.

    The charges stem from incidents that date back to at least 2005, the year
    after Ravenel’s failed Senate bid and before his March 30, 2006, filing to
    run for treasurer. He defeated longtime Treasurer Grady Patterson to win the
    job. State officials said they were investigating Ravenel at the time he was
    elected, but the case was not at a point they could bring charges.

    Ravenel, the son of former congressman and state senator Arthur Ravenel,
    came out of nowhere to become a political force in the 2004 U.S. Senate
    race. Although he lost the Republican nomination to Jim DeMint, he quickly
    became the favorite for the treasurer’s job.

    Although he has denied it, Ravenel was widely considered a possible primary
    challenger to U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham in 2008. But this will likely end
    that speculation.

    “In only a few months, Thomas Ravenel has gone from spoiled rich kid buying
    his way into office to common street criminal,” said South Carolina
    Democratic Party Chairwoman Carol Fowler. “He is an embarrassment to the
    state and an embarrassment to the office of treasurer. It’s a shame that
    Grady Patterson, an absolutely honorable man and a true patriot, was
    replaced by Thomas Ravenel as state treasurer.”

    Katon Dawson, chairman of the state Republican Party, called Sanford’s
    suspension of Ravenel “proper,” but said this was not a public corruption

    “To me, it looks like a private issue and a legal matter for a public
    official,” Dawson said.

    In his first six months in office, Ravenel’s main issue has been trying to
    convince the Legislature that he shouldn’t have to keep office hours on
    Saturday, as the Constitution mandates. In April, he was named the South
    Carolina chairman for the Rudy Giuliani presidential campaign. He lost that
    job Tuesday as well.

    “Our campaign has no infor-mation about the accusations pending against Mr.
    Ravenel,” said Giuliani Political Director Mark Campbell. “Mr. Ravenel has
    stepped down from his volunteer responsibilities with the campaign.”

    Indicted alongside Ravenel on Tuesday was Michael L. Miller, 25, of Mount
    Pleasant. Miller lists his occupation as “deejay.” Lloyd would not comment
    on the relationship between Miller and Ravenel.

    The governor’s office said Tuesday night that Sanford would appoint an
    interim replacement “as soon as possible.”

    Contact Brian Hicks at 937-5561 or

    Copyright C 1997 – 2007 the Evening Post Publishing Co.


  2. *pondering a Bloomberg run*
    Posted by: “hapi22” robinsegg
    Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:39 am (PST)
    I have nothing against NYC Mayor Bloomberg … I don’t know much about him.

    But I do know a few things:

    (1) Bloomberg WAS a lifelong Democrat but changed to the Republican
    Party in order to run for NYC mayor … the field of Democrats, in the
    NYC primary, was too big an obstacle to overcome, so Bloomberg became a
    Republican … and won the election.

    (2) Bloomberg spent $75 million of his own money running for NYC mayor
    … With his huge fortune ( said to be about $5 Billion), he was able to
    buy up all the radio air time and all the TV commercial slots, so that
    when his Democratic opponent was able to raise enough money to buy TV or
    air time, there was NO air time or TV time available … many voters did
    not even know that there was a Democrat running for mayor … the ONLY
    commercials that were seen were for Bloomberg. Now that sort of
    advantage makes me very uneasy. Yes, it is true, with that sort of
    wealth, Bloomberg is beholden to no one, but it also means he is
    ANSWERABLE to no one. I have heard that Bloomberg is prepared to spend
    ONE BILLION DOLLARS of his own money to win the presidency. No other
    candidate can match that. Do we really want a president who can buy the
    presidency with his own money, needing no help from any of the rest of us?

    (3) If Bloomberg runs a third-party candidacy, he will take votes AWAY
    from the Democrat, NOT the Republican, because his views on social
    policy are very liberal … they are certainly NOT the views that would
    attract Republican voters. He is FOR gun control and I believe he is
    pro-choice. He will NOT take votes away from the Republican nominee …
    he WOULD take votes away from the Democratic nominee (I don’t care which
    Democrat it is) … and that would ENSURE that the Republican would win
    the presidency.

    (4) Bloomberg served the desires of the G.O.P. during the Republican
    National Convention in 2004 and locked up an awful lot of anti-war and
    other protestors. I think he has a tendency, as a very successful
    businessman who is accustomed to having his unquestioned way, to see
    anyone who thwarts him as a menace to be dealt with.

    (5) I would certainly prefer Bloomberg to Giuliani any day. I think
    Bloomberg is a rational person … I think Rudy is a dictator in sheep’s

    (6) Although I would be horrified to see Rudy Giuliani as the Republican
    nominee and Bloomberg as a third-party candidate, I have to say that I
    think it is amazingly wonderful — and very American — that no one
    seems to be talking about the fact that if Rudy were to win the
    presidency, he would be the first Italian-American president. And if
    Bloomberg were to win the presidency, he would be the first Jewish
    president. And all of this is happening in the same year that we have
    the first serious woman candidate, the first really serious
    African-American candidate for president, and the first serious Mormon
    candidate for president. I think all of that is glorious. It’s just that
    I despise Rudy and I fear ANY third-party candidacy that would reduce
    the Democrat’s chances of winning. We cannot afford to have another
    Republican president … it is too dangerous to our freedoms and rights.

    Now, on the general topic of third party candidates: It is a BAD idea
    … a Very Bad Idea…We do NOT have a parliamentary form of government
    where each winning party gets to have a certain number of seats and the
    various parties form coalitions to win. We have a winner take all form
    of government. Therefore, any third-party candidate will take votes AWAY
    FROM the candidate who is closest to him in political philosophy — and
    would hand the election to the candidate the vast majority of voters do
    NOT want..

    Ralph Nader most resembled Democrats and Progressives in the 2000
    election and STOLE votes away from Al Gore — handing the election to
    George W. Bush. Nader garnered 95,000 votes in Florida … if Nader had
    not challenged Gore in Florida (as he had promised NOT to), Bush would
    NEVER have gotten close enough to Gore to take the challenge into the
    courts and then “win” in the U.S. Supreme Court. Ralph Nader gave us
    G.W. Bush. Do we really want to have a repeat of that disaster?

    Bloomberg, as a third-party candidate, would give us four more years of
    a Republican president that could very well turn out to be — drum roll,
    please — JEB BUSH, who would ride in on his white horse at the last
    minute to “save” the Republican Party from an electoral disaster.

    So, please, do NOT cheer for a third-party candidacy .. do not vote for
    a third-party candidate. Unless, of course, you think this country would
    be hunky dorey having another Republican president elected in 2008.


  3. Judicial Watch Releases New FBI Documents: Osama bin Laden May Have Chartered Saudi Flight Out of U.S. after 9/11

    (Washington, DC) — Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, today released new documents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”) related to the “expeditious departure” of Saudi nationals, including members of the bin Laden family, from the United States following the 9/11 attacks. According to one of the formerly confidential documents, dated 9/21/2001, terrorist Osama bin Laden may have chartered one of the Saudi flights.
    The document states: “ON 9/19/01, A 727 PLANE LEFT LAX, RYAN FLT #441 TO ORLANDO, FL W/ETA (estimated time of arrival) OF 4-5PM. THE PLANE WAS CHARTERED EITHER BY THE SAUDI ARABIAN ROYAL FAMILY OR OSAMA BIN LADEN…THE LA FBI SEARCHED THE PLANE [REDACTED] LUGGAGE, OF WHICH NOTHING UNUSUAL WAS FOUND.” The plane was allowed to depart the United States after making four stops to pick up passengers, ultimately landing in Paris where all passengers disembarked on 9/20/01, according to the document.
    Overall, the FBI’s most recent document production includes details of the six flights between 9/14 and 9/24 that evacuated Saudi royals and bin Laden family members. The documents also contain brief interview summaries and occasional notes from intelligence analysts concerning the cursory screening performed prior to the departures. According to the FBI documents, incredibly not a single Saudi national nor any of the bin Laden family members possessed any information of investigative value.
    Moreover, the documents contain numerous errors and inconsistencies which call to question the thoroughness of the FBI’s investigation of the Saudi flights. For example, on one document, the FBI claims to have interviewed 20 of 23 passengers on the Ryan International Airlines flight (commonly referred to as the “Bin Laden Family Flight”). On another document, the FBI claims to have interviewed 15 of 22 passengers on the same flight.
    “Eight days after the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history, Osama bin Laden possibly charters a flight to whisk his family out of the country, and it’s not worth more than a luggage search and a few brief interviews?” asked Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “Clearly these documents prove the FBI conducted a slapdash investigation of these Saudi flights. We’ll never know how many investigative leads were lost due to the FBI’s lack of diligence.”
    U.S. District Court Judge Richard W. Roberts ordered the FBI to resubmit “proper disclosures” to the Court and Judicial Watch, having previously criticized the adequacy of redaction descriptions, the validity of exemption claims, and other errors in the FBI’s disclosures. Incredibly, the FBI had previously redacted Osama bin Laden’s name from the records in order “to protect privacy interests.”
    The latest version of the FBI documents, obtained under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act and through ongoing litigation (Judicial Watch v. Department of Homeland Security & Federal Bureau of Investigation, No. 04-1643 (RWR)) is available below.


  4. *”The REAL Rudy” — a wealthy phony*
    Posted by: “hapi22” robinsegg
    Thu Sep 6, 2007 1:09 pm (PST)
    Rudy Giuliani — who claimed in court papers, when divorcing his second
    wife (the mother of his only two children), to be worth only $7,000 —
    is now worth about $33 MILLION thanks to 9/11.

    Sept. 11, 2001, was a tragedy for many others, but for Rudy it was the
    key to glory and his key to riches.

    Rudy knows next to nothing about anything but the streets of New York
    City. He knows next to nothing about upstate New York and even less
    about Middle America.

    As for foreign policy knowledge or experience, Rudy has ZERO.

    Rudy also has NO EXPERIENCE in defending a city, county, state or nation
    FROM terrorism.

    All Rudy knows to do — if there is a tragedy — is to GRAB a
    microphone, lasso a TV cameraman, and start talking.

    That makes Rudy neither a hero nor a person capable of protecting us
    from terrorists. But it does indicate that he is a glib talker, mostly
    about himself.

    Furthermore, when Rudy became NYC mayor shortly after the 1993 terror
    attack on the World Trade Towers, he FAILED to hold even one
    multi-agency drill to prepare for another sure-to-happen terror attack
    — NOT one multi-agency those eight years.

    ~ ~

    This came to me as an e-mail.

    Dear activists, colleagues, and friends,

    “It’s just not possible.”

    That was the sentence we heard over and over from families who had
    firefighter sons, brothers, husbands and fathers killed on 9/11, from
    experts on emergency response, and from investigative journalists. It
    was just not possible that Rudy could so distort what happened on 9/11
    and his role on that terrible day.

    These experts, these grieving and furious family members, were united
    only by the fact that this story had to be told. Republicans,
    Independents, and Democrats could agree on just one thing: the cold hard
    facts about Rudy’s terrible handling of 9/11 and the aftermath.

    And so we went to work. We researched, we read, we interviewed. Jason
    locked himself in a quiet room, working late into the night. Christopher
    flew across the country at a moment’s notice to interview. Lissette went
    over and over the footage. Leda kept juggling schedules so we could get
    the film done. Jimmy worked the phones to try and raise some funds.

    And here it is… The REAL Rudy: Command Center. The first of a
    devastating four-part series.

    Watch the video

    Watch the video, and share your thoughts on why *Rudy failed us on 9/11.*

    We need your help. We don’t have ad budgets, so like all our videos, we
    are counting on you to spread these to your email list, to your local
    paper, to blogs, to websites. We are fortunate that today we have the
    new technology and ability to reach millions, but it only happens when
    you send the video with notes to as many people as possible.

    *It’s time to expose the truth of Rudy’s failures on 9/11.*

    Robert Greenwald
    and the Brave New Films team

    P.S. The AP just did a story

    on our campaign this morning, a good sign that our message is getting
    out there!


    Messages in this topic (1)

    Re: *The horror of 9/11 has been Very Good for Rudy*
    Posted by: “sssayler” sssayler
    Thu Sep 6, 2007 7:22 pm (PST)

    You are so right! It is terrible to think that there was one person to profit from 9/11 and that was not Osama Bin Laden, but one of our own citizens, namely Rudy Guiliani.

    hapi22 wrote:
    > I have just read that Rudy Giuliani is forming another group (“First Responders For Rudy”) to refute the charges from the NYC firefighters that Rudy is a serial exaggerator and that, as NYC mayor, Rudy let down and did badly by the NYC firefighters, even betrayed the NYC firefighters.


  5. Re: *Giuliani event aide quits over sex, theft charges*
    Posted by: “James & Cherie Mabrey” catawbademocrat
    Mon Sep 10, 2007 2:56 am (PST)
    Ahhhh, how quickly you forget Thomas Ravenel, the former SC Treasurer who resigned in disgrace from both his newly elected office and as Rudy’s SC chairman. His dad Arthur, who has some PR problems of his own, has taken his place.

    >From the writers of The Daily Show with Jon Stewart
    Blow For Giuliani:
    Giuliani’s campaign recently suffered a blow when a top adviser in South Carolina was charged with cocaine distribution. Of course, the real question remains, was he at least under forty? Because as I understand it, the rule is, all the coke you do before the age of forty can be written off to “youthful indiscretions.”

    Thomas Ravenel, a top advisor to Giuliani in South Carolina, was recently charged with cocaine distribution, though the US attorney handling the case concluded that the large quantity of cocaine in Ravenel’s possession was obtained with the intent to share with other people, not to sell. Well, I guess that’s one way to drive down the high cost of prescription drugs.


    From: hapi22
    Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 10:13 AM
    Subject: *Giuliani event aide quits over sex, theft charges*

    Well, so far, Rudy Giuliani has not demonstrated very good sense in his hirings (or in who he has hired to do his hiring).


  6. Giuliani Leads in Oil & Gas Money
    Posted by: “bigraccoon” redwoodsaurus
    Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:41 pm (PST)

    Giuliani Leads in Oil and Gas Money

    Rudy Giuliani is the presidential campaign¹s biggest benefactor when it comes to contributions from the oil and gas industry ‹ he¹s received more than twice as much money as any other candidate.

    The former New York City mayor had received $477,208 from the industry by the end of July, while fellow Republican Mitt Romney¹s campaign had gotten $232,300 in oil and gas money.

    Democrat Hillary Clinton¹s campaign pocketed $147,350, Republican John McCain brought in $136,310, and Democrat Bill Richardson received $101,500, according to figures reported by the Wall Street Journal.

    Rudy¹s reach for oil and gas money extends all the way to the former Soviet republic of Kazakhstan, where his law firm does considerable business in the oil, gas and minerals industries.

    Giuliani¹s campaign scheduled a Sept. 26 fundraiser in Kazakhstan, with Rudy appearing by video conferencing.

    Only Americans can contribute to U.S. campaigns, but Giuliani¹s goal is to raise cash from among the many Americans who live in Kazakhstan and work for oil, gas, and other companies.

    After leaving his mayor¹s post in 2002, Giuliani became a partner in a Houston-based law firm that changed its name to Bracewell Giuliani LLP. The firm has had an office in Kazakhstan since 1997.


  7. *Giuliani Defends, Employs Priest Accused of Molesting Teens*
    Posted by: “hapi22” robinsegg
    Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:47 pm (PST)
    One of Rudy Giuliani’s closest friends is the disgraced priest Alan Placa.

    When presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani traveled to Rome in
    January, he was accompanied by wife Judith and longtime friend
    Monsignor Alan Placa, an accused child molester.>>

    Giuliani employs his childhood friend Monsignor Alan Placa as a
    consultant at Giuliani Partners DESPITE a 2003 Suffolk County,
    N.Y., GRAND JURY report that accuses Placa of sexually abusing
    children, as well as helping COVER UP the SEXUAL ABUSE of
    children by other priests. Placa, who was part of a three-person
    team that handled allegations of abuse by clergy for the Diocese of
    Rockville Centre, is referred to as Priest F in the grand jury
    report. The report summarizes the testimony of MULTIPLE alleged
    victims of Priest F, and then notes, “Ironically, Priest F would
    later become instrumental in the development of Diocesan policy in
    response to allegations of sexual abuse of children by priests.”>>

    One of the reasons Rudy stands by Placa is that Placa helped him to get
    rid of Wife #1 so he, Rudy, could marry his new love, Donna Hanover
    (from whom Rudy is now divorced — after having met Wife #3 at a fancy
    NYC pick-up bar).

    [Alan Placa] was the best man at Giuliani’s first marriage in
    1968 to his second cousin, Regina Peruggi,

    then helped Giuliani get an annulment in 1982 — over Regina’s
    protests — so he could marry his second wife, Donna Hanover.
    Placa officiated at the wedding of Hanover and Giuliani in 1984.

    In September 2002, Alan Placa was suspended by the Diocese of Rockville
    Centre over the sexual abuse allegations and no longer permitted to
    perform priestly duties.

    **Giuliani Defends, Employs Priest Accused of Molesting Teens**

    ABC News
    Oct. 23, 2007/

    Presidential candidate Rudolph Giuliani hired a Catholic priest to
    work in his consulting firm months after the priest was accused of
    sexually molesting two former students and an altar boy and told by the
    church to stop performing his priestly duties.

    The priest, Monsignor Alan Placa, a longtime friend of Giuliani and the
    priest who officiated at his second wedding to Donna Hanover, continues
    to work at Giuliani Partners in New York, to the outrage of some of his
    accusers and victims’ groups, which have begun to protest at Giuliani
    campaign events.

    “This man did unjust things, and he’s being protected and employed and
    taken care of. It’s not a good thing,” said one of the accusers, Richard
    Tollner, who says Placa molested him repeatedly when he was a student at
    a Long Island, N.Y. Catholic boys high school in 1975.

    At a campaign appearance in Milwaukee last week, Giuliani continued to
    defend Placa, who he described to reporters as a close friend for 39 years.

    *Click here to see photos of Giuliani and the Priest.*

    “I know the man; I know who he is, so I support him,” Giuliani said. “We
    give some of the worst people in our society the presumption of
    innocence and benefit of the doubt,” he said. “And, of course, I’m going
    to give that to one of my closest friends.”

    The accusations against Placa were made in testimony before a Suffolk
    County grand jury in 2002.

    Tollner, now a mortgage broker in Albany, N.Y., says he was one of three
    people to testify about Placa.

    “This man harmed children. He still could do it. He deserves to be shown
    for what he was, or is,” says Tollner.

    Appearing publicly for the first time today on ABC News’ “Good Morning
    America,” Tollner says the abuse started when he and Placa were in the
    high school making posters for a Right to Life march.

    “As he started to explain how these posters should be done, I realized
    that something was rubbing my body,” Tollner said. “After a minute or
    two, I realized that he’s feeling me, feeling me in my genital area.”

    The grand jury report concluded that a Priest F, who Tollner says is
    Placa, abused the boys sexually “again and again and again.”

    “Priest F was cautious, but relentless in his pursuit of victims. He
    fondled boys over their clothes, usually in his office,” the report said.

    *Click here to see photos of Giuliani and the Priest.*

    The report concluded that Priest F, and several other priests under
    investigation from the same Long Island, N.Y. diocese, could not be
    prosecuted because the statute of limitations had expired.

    Several former students from the same high school say they were asked by
    the “Giuliani organization” to contact ABC News and vouch for Placa.

    “There was absolutely not a hint of rumor of a speculation or a whisper,
    in four years, or in decades after of any sexual predatoriness on the
    part of Rev. Placa,” wrote Matthew Hogan in an e-mail to

    Hogan says he recalls that Placa did give “special attention” to his
    former schoolmate Richard Tollner and remembers seeing Tollner in
    Placa’s office “laughing, on opposite sides of a desk with Mr. Tollner
    happily animated sitting up on the couch talking.”

    But Hogan says the school area where Tollner says he was molested “was
    CONSTANTLY trafficked even on off days and hours.”

    “I will gladly help take apart in public anything that seriously
    overlooks the above. I’ll be watching The Blotter like a hawk,” Hogan

    In addition to the allegations that Priest F was personally involved in
    the sexual abuse, the grand jury also said that Priest F became
    instrumental in a church policy that used “deception and intimidation”
    to keep the church scandal quiet.

    *Click here to see photos of Giuliani and the Priest.*

    Placa served as a lawyer for the diocese in dealing with allegations of
    abuse against other priests and, according to the grand jury report,
    claimed he had saved the church hundreds of thousands of dollars in his
    handling of possible litigation.

    Lawyers for alleged victims say Placa would often conduct interviews, in
    his priest garb, without making it clear he was the church lawyer.

    “He was a wolf in sheep’s clothing,” said Melanie Little, a lawyer for
    several alleged victims of sexual abuse by other priests in the diocese.

    “He was more concerned with protecting the priests, protecting the
    reputation of the diocese and protecting the church coffers than he was
    protecting the children,” said Little.

    Since going to work for Giuliani Partners, the former mayor and the
    priest have continued to be close.

    Placa accompanied Giuliani and his wife Judith on a trip to Rome earlier
    this year.

    Through a spokeswoman at Giuliani Partners, Sunny Mindel, Placa declined
    requests to comment on the allegations to

    Mindel also declined to specify what Placa does for the firm or how much
    he is paid.

    *Click Here for Full Blotter Coverage.*

    “Mr. Giuliani can do what he wants with his money, but he has to pay the
    price for people like myself who disagree with employing known child
    molesters,” Tollner said.

    While NO LONGER ALLOWED to perform priestly duties or appear in public
    as a priest, Placa continues to maintain a residence at a church rectory
    in Great Neck on New York’s Long Island.

    According to New York property records, Placa also co-owns, with another
    priest, a waterfront apartment in lower Manhattan in Battery Park City,
    valued at more than $500,000.

    *Do you have a tip for Brian Ross and the Investigative Team?*

    Read this at:


  8. A Handy Primer On Giulani…
    Posted by: “G. Myrick” garymyrick
    Sun Nov 4, 2007 9:56 am (PST)

    Here is a handy primer on the execrable- and dangerous – Rudy Giuliani . My suggestion is that you print it, keep it in your wallet or purse – and shove it up the nearest available orifice of any fool you might encounter that would even consider voting for another Republican fascist nightmare.


    Did you know this about Giuliani? Yikes!
    Democratic Underground

    November2, 2007

    Rudy has NO experience in national-level policy.

    Rudy picked a police chief who was MOB-CONNECTED, and who is now headed for federal charges – tax fraud, bribery, taking money from the Mafia (he later recommended this guy for the U.S. cabinet!)

    He hired an unqualified crony for the NY Housing Development Corporation who later went to jail for child porn.

    Rudy’s key supporter in the Senate has been exposed using prostitutes both in Washington and Louisiana. Later he hired a child molester, boyhoood friend and Priest, Alan Paca, at his law firm.

    His urban reconstruction effort displaced low-income families to make room for big corporations.

    He indulged in racial profiling.

    He angered big chunks of his community for his support of the NYPD during the aftermath of the Amadou Diallo shooting.

    He tried so often to restrict free speech against his opponents that he lost 35 lawsuits on that one issue alone – thirty-five!

    The Farmersville garbage scandal helped force him to quit the 2000 Senate race.

    Rudy’s many scandals also forced him to take himself out of consideration for the Homeland Security job.

    He had to annul his first marriage because he was found to have married his first cousin; he dumped his second wife via a press conference rather than break the news in person – he was having an affair with the woman who would become his third wife. He actually was having 2 simultaneous affairs at the same time: Judith Nathan AND Christyne Letagano, from his office!

    Rudy unilaterally grabbed a $7 million endowment for the Brooklyn Museum of Art because he didn’t like one of their artworks. Then he tried to evict the entire museum. A judge slapped him down, and then warned him not to try to retaliate.

    Rudy tried to put public schools under a Catholic curriculum.

    Rudy told the police to permanently confiscate the vehicles of drunk-driving suspects – some of whom were acquitted.

    Rudy claims credit for reducing crime in New York, which actually began during the tenure of his predecessor, Dinkins, because of Dinkins’ policies (and enhanced by Clinton’s decision to fund additional police officers, and the work of police chief Richard Bratton who later did the same for LA; Rudy still doesn’t give Clinton or Bratton credit).

    He claimed credit to crafting the strategy for destroying the Mafia in New York, which was actually the work of Professor Bob Blakey at Cornell.

    He claimed he spent as much time at Ground Zero as the first responders; he later had to admit he lied. Giuliani also claims he knows more about foreign policy than McCain (Senate Armed Services Committee) or Biden (Foreign Relations Committee Chairman), but then he had to admit that he didn’t know North Korea was much further along than Iran in developing nuclear weapons!

    Giuliani spend a ton of money on ads claiming he turned a deficit into a surplus in New York. Actually he left a bigger deficit than he started with, and it would have been bigger even if 911 hadn’t happened. The next mayor, Bloomberg, was forced take extraordinary measures to save the city from collapse. How did this happen? Giuliani indulged in the same brain-dead wishful thinking Bush has indulged in, passing irresponsible tax cuts, occasionally raiding pension funds for money (which experts called irresponsible). Even there, Rudy’s claims are misleading: he claims he cut taxes 17 percent, but taxes really went from 8.73 percent to 7.24 percent..

    Rudy ignored the threat from Islamic extremists in New York even after the first WTC attack.

    His decision to locate the Office of Emergency Management headquarters in a long-identified target for a terrorist attack at the World Trade Center damaged the city’s response – the center was of course wiped out. The diesel fuel tanks placed at 7 World Trade Center to power the command center actually caused the building to collapse and burn.

    Firefighters on 911 were using exactly the same kind of radios that failed after the 1993 WTC bombing: 343 firefighters didn’t hear the evacuation order and died in the towers; Giuliani later claimed falsely they heard the order but ignored it.

    Ten days after 911 he claimed the air was safe to breathe despite the presence of serious contaminants; he botched the air quality issue at Ground Zero even though he knew there was a safety problem, and firefighters lacked proper protective gear and were insufficiently protected against pollutants (contrariwise at the Pentagon the workers were properly equipped and no one got sick).
    After 911, turf wars, sweetheart deals and Giuliani’s personal projects impeded the handling of the crisis further.

    Victims’ families complain they were shut out of the process of designing the 911 memorial.

    By 2007 Giuliani had to limit his appearances in New York because of protest from victims’ families, police and firefighters. Relatives and firemen said they didn’t want Giuliani even to speak at the 911 ceremonies in September 2007, saying it would be a “disgrace”.

    As Rudy left office he put his office records under the control of a private firm so that he could retain permanent control.

    Rudy represented heavily-polluting coal plants and Big Tobacco.

    His firm represented Purdue Pharma when the drug maker was nailed for lying about Oxycontin; the federal prosecutor who was handling the case was threatened by the White House to back off the investigation, and when the lawyer said no, the White House, only days later, put him on the list of US attorneys to be fired.

    Rudy’s firm worked for a guy who wants to do security work for the federal government – even though he is a confessed drug smuggler.

    Rudy probably hasn’t told the far right that his firm worked for the race tracking gambling industry.
    Rudy promised to leave his security consulting firm when he began his campaign, but he failed to do so; firm employees work for his campaign and the firm pays for his campaign security. He is violating federal campaign law.

    Only a small percentage of the electorate really knows Rudy, even on the social issues which have been the central focus for months: only 37 percent even know he’s pro-choice, and only 18 percent know he originally favored civil unions before he changed his mind.

    He supports school vouchers, supports torture, supports school prayer, supports putting the Ten Commandments in schools, and promises to appoint Scalia-like judges to the bench.

    Rudy wants to ban late-term abortion, mandate parental notification, and ban federal funding for most abortions under Medicaid.

    Rudy flipflopped on immigration and on civil unions

    Republicans in Iowa already complain that Giuliani only talks about one issue, terrorism.

    Rudy incessantly claims the Democrats will slash military budgets, impose socialism, and cause more people to die from terrorism. Lies and smears.

    Rudy hired the same smear team that crushed a black Senate candidate, Harold Ford, in the Tennessee Senate race by implying he had sex with a Playboy bunny (the same team that smeared McCain for Bush in South Carolina in 2000).

    A number of Republicans think he’s unfit for office. One might expect that from the far right, which has already rejected him because of abortion and his flipflops on some of their favorite issues. But even Al D’Amato – no reactionary – admitted that sponsoring Giuliani for a prosecutor job in New York was “the biggest mistake I ever made”.

    My favorite Rudy quote: “Freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.”



  9. The Giuliani moderation fallacy
    Posted by: “G. Myrick” garymyrick
    Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:46 am (PST)
    We cannot allow the jerks who run the corporate media to deceive the public – once again – about the true nature of their “chosen” candidate. This time, their guy is Rudy Giuliani, who would convert all of the destruction and unconstitutional madness of the Bush years into a final pair of cement shoes for the rest of us.


    The Giuliani moderation fallacy

    Our media stars think that a foreign policy militarist and a domestic authoritarian transforms into a “moderate” if he believes in gay rights and abortion rights.
    by Glenn Greenwald

    Nov. 13, 2007 | (updated below)

    The most transparent and destructive fallacy being recited by our Beltway media class is that Rudy Giuliani is a moderate or centrist Republican. Examples of this fallacy are everywhere.

    The Washington Post’s Jonathan Weisman yesterday twice asserted during his “chat” that Giuliani was a moderate — first rejecting the notion that the GOP is purging moderates by citing the fact that “the frontrunner in the presidential campaign is Rudy Giuliani, an abortion rights, gay rights, gun control advocate,” and thereafter claiming that GOP political operatives want Giuliani as the nominee because “they think Giuliani will mobilize moderate Republicans and independents who lean Republican.” Today, his Post colleague, “mainstream” enforcer Shailagh Murray, insisted that while Ron Paul is well outside the mainstream, Rudy Giuliani is squarely within it.

    The very idea that Giuliani is a “moderate” or a “centrist” is completely absurd. Regarding the issues over which the next President will have the greatest influence — foreign policy and presidential powers — Giuliani is as far to what is now considered the “Right” as it gets. His views on foreign policy are far more radical and bellicose even than Dick Cheney’s, and his view of presidential powers makes George Bush look like Thomas Jefferson.

    This whole “moderate” myth is grounded exclusively in Giuliani’s non-doctrinaire views of social issues. But that’s pure fallacy. Political ideology doesn’t function like mathematics, where two numbers situated on opposite extreme poles can be averaged together to produce a nice, comfortable number in the middle.

    That isn’t how political ideology works. A warmonger with authoritarian impulses and liberal positions on social issues isn’t a “moderate” or a “centrist.” He’s just a warmonger with authoritarian impulses and liberal positions on social issues.

    Even Giuliani’s allegedly “liberal” positions on social issues are completely overblown. Outside of judicial appointments, Presidents actually have very little impact on issues such as gay rights, abortion and gun control. Other than judicial appointments, what impact has George Bush had on those areas? Virtually none.

    Yet when it comes to the one instrument Presidents can actually use to shape social issues — judicial appointments — Giuliani’s decisions will be anything but liberal. He has said repeatedly that he would “appoint judges like Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Alito, Justice Scalia and Justice Thomas” — the most conservative justices on the Court. And his closest legal confidants are the by-product of relationships he formed at the Reagan DOJ — people like Ted Olson and Michael Mukasey — and his appointments are almost certainly going to comport loyally to Federalist Society dogma.

    But even if he were Noam Chomsky on social issues, the term “moderate” would be the least accurate term for Giuliani. He has one of the most extremist and war-loving foreign policy teams ever assembled for a major candidate. He has advocated or expressed openness to such radical policies as imprisoning American citizens with no trials, having Israel join NATO, and launching a first-strike tactical nuclear attack on Iran. And he speaks more glibly than virtually any individual in the country about torture.

    More than anything else, it is the media’s mindless depiction of Giuliani as some sort of moderate Republican or centrist that has convinced his party that he is the most electable, and it is blinding independents to his true radicalism. This media-concocted “moderate” myth is also what allows Giuliani to pursue actively the support of some of the most out-of-the-mainstream political figures in the country — and to be plagued by extremely dark associations in his past — without much political cost or controversy. As Andrew Sullivan wrote today:

    I tend to place greater emphasis on loons and hate-mongers that candidates actively seek out. Pat Robertson is a loon and an anti-Semite and a vicious homophobe who blamed Americans for 9/11. Giuliani didn’t receive some unsolicited money from him; he actually stood on a platform and embraced him. . . .

    Giuliani also promoted and endorsed a seriously mobbed up man to be head of the DHS; he fully embraces and employs a priest credibly abused of sex abuse of a minor (and refuses to distance himself from him); and actively endorses torture as a foreign policy weapon.

    Whatever else Giuliani might be, “centrist” and “moderate” is not it. He is one of the most radical major candidates in memory. But the more he is characterized as a “moderate” by our media stars, the more viable a candidate he becomes and the more his radicalism is obscured.

    UPDATE: A new poll from Rasmussen Reports finds that GOP voters perceive Giuliani as the “most moderate” of any of the Republican candidates, and the second least-conservative candidate:

    Survey of 800-1,200 Likely Voters
    November 5-11, 2007

    How Republican Voters View Their Candidates








    The candidate advised by the Norman Podhoretz Brigade, endorsed by Pat Robertson, and defined by the most extremist foreign policy and authoritarian impulses seen in any major candidate in quite some time, is depicted as “moderate” by our press corps and therefore widely perceived as such.


    Read this with LINKS at

    Rasmussen poll:


  10. What ‘That Regan Woman’ Knows

    The New York Times
    November 18, 2007

    NEW Yorkers who remember Rudy Giuliani as the bullying New York mayor, not as
    the terminally cheerful “America’s Mayor” cooing to babies in New Hampshire,
    have always banked on one certainty: his presidential candidacy was so
    preposterous it would implode before he got anywhere near the White House.

    Surely, we reassured ourselves, the all-powerful Republican values enforcers
    were so highly principled that they would excommunicate him because of his
    liberal social views, three wives and estranged children. Or a firewall would be
    erected by the firefighters who are enraged by his self-aggrandizing rewrite of
    9/11 history. Or Judith Giuliani, with her long-hidden first marriage and Louis
    Vuitton ‘tude, would send red-state voters screaming into the night.

    Wrong, wrong and wrong. But how quickly and stupidly we forgot about the other
    Judith in the Rudy orbit. That would be Judith Regan, who disappeared last
    December after she was unceremoniously fired from Rupert Murdoch’s publishing
    house, HarperCollins. Last week Ms. Regan came roaring back into the fray, a
    silver bullet aimed squarely at the heart of the Giuliani campaign.

    Ms. Regan filed a $100 million lawsuit against her former employer, claiming she
    was unjustly made a scapegoat for the O. J. Simpson “If I Did It” fiasco that
    (briefly) embarrassed Mr. Murdoch and his News Corporation. But for those of us
    not caught up in the Simpson circus, what’s most riveting about the suit are two
    at best tangential sentences in its 70 pages: “In fact, a senior executive in
    the News Corporation organization told Regan that he believed she had
    information about Kerik that, if disclosed, would harm Giuliani’s presidential
    campaign. This executive advised Regan to lie to, and to withhold information
    from, investigators concerning Kerik.”

    Kerik, of course, is Bernard Kerik, the former Giuliani chauffeur and police
    commissioner, as well as the candidate he pushed to be President Bush’s
    short-lived nominee to run the Department of Homeland Security. Having pleaded
    guilty to two misdemeanors last year, Mr. Kerik was indicted on 16 other counts
    by a federal grand jury 10 days ago, just before Ms. Regan let loose with her
    lawsuit. Whether Ms. Regan’s charge about that unnamed Murdoch “senior
    executive” is true or not – her lawyers have yet to reveal the evidence – her
    overall message is plain. She knows a lot about Mr. Kerik, Mr. Giuliani and the
    Murdoch empire. And she could talk.

    Boy, could she! As New Yorkers who have crossed her path or followed her in the
    tabloids know, Ms. Regan has an epic temper. My first encounter with her came
    more than a decade ago when she left me a record-breaking (in vitriol and
    decibel level) voice mail message about a column I’d written on one of her
    authors. It was a relief to encounter a more mellow Regan at a Midtown
    restaurant some years later. She cordially introduced me to her dinner
    companion, Mr. Kerik, whose post-9/11 autobiography, “The Lost Son: A Life in
    Pursuit of Justice,” was under contract at her HarperCollins imprint,

    What I didn’t know then was that this married author and single editor were in
    pursuit of not just justice, but sex, too. Their love nest, we’d later learn,
    was an apartment adjacent to ground zero that had been initially set aside for
    rescue workers. Mr. Kerik believed his lover had every moral right to be there.
    As he tenderly explained in his acknowledgments in “The Lost Son” – published
    before the revelation of their relationship – there was “one hero who is
    missing” from his book’s tribute to “courage and honor” and “her name is Judith

    Few know more about Rudy than his perennial boon companion, Mr. Kerik. Perhaps
    during his romance with Ms. Regan he talked only of the finer points of memoir
    writing or about his theories of crime prevention or about his ideas for
    training the police in the Muslim world (an assignment he later received in Iraq
    and botched). But it is also plausible that this couple discussed everything Mr.
    Kerik witnessed at Mr. Giuliani’s side before, during and after 9/11. Perhaps he
    even explained to her why the mayor insisted, disastrously, that his city’s $61
    million emergency command center be located in the World Trade Center despite
    the terrorist attack on the towers in 1993.

    Perhaps, too, they talked about the business ventures the mayor established
    after leaving office. Mr. Kerik worked at Giuliani Partners and used its address
    as a mail drop for some $75,000 that turns up in the tax-fraud charges in his
    federal indictment. That money was Mr. Kerik’s pay for an 11-sentence
    introduction to another Regan-published book about 9/11, “In the Line of Duty.”
    Though that project’s profits were otherwise donated to the families of dead
    rescue workers, Mr. Kerik’s royalties were mailed to Giuliani Partners in the
    name of a corporate entity Mr. Kerik set up in Delaware. He would later claim
    that he made comparable donations to charity, but the federal indictment charges
    that $80,000 he took in charitable deductions were bogus.

    Amazingly, given that he seeks the highest office in the land, Mr. Giuliani will
    not reveal the clients of Giuliani Partners. Perhaps he has trouble remembering
    them all. He testified in court last year that he has no memory of a mayoral
    briefing in which he was told of Mr. Kerik’s association with a company
    suspected of ties to organized crime.

    Ms. Regan’s knowledge of Mr. Giuliani isn’t limited to whatever she learned from
    Mr. Kerik. She used to work for another longtime Giuliani pal, Roger Ailes, the
    media consultant for the first Giuliani campaign in 1989 and the impresario who
    created Fox News for Mr. Murdoch in 1996. A full-service mayor to his cronies,
    Mr. Giuliani lobbied hard to get the Fox News Channel on the city’s cable boxes
    and presided over Mr. Ailes’s wedding. Enter Ms. Regan, who was given her own
    program on Fox’s early lineup. Mr. Ailes came up with its rather inspired first
    title, “That Regan Woman.”

    Who at the News Corporation supposedly asked Ms. Regan to lie to protect Rudy’s
    secrets? Her complaint does not say. But thanks to the political journal The
    Hotline, we do know that as of the summer Mr. Giuliani had received more air
    time from Fox News than any other G.O.P. candidate, much of it on the high-rated
    “Hannity & Colmes.” That show’s co-host, Sean Hannity, appeared at a Giuliani
    campaign fund-raiser this year.

    Fox News coverage of Ms. Regan’s lawsuit last week was minimal. After all, Mr.
    Giuliani dismissed the whole episode as “a gossip column story,” and we know Fox
    would never stoop so low as to trade in gossip. The coverage was scarcely more
    intense at The Wall Street Journal, whose print edition included no mention of
    the suit’s reference to that “senior executive” at the News Corporation. (After
    bloggers noticed, the article was amended online.) The Journal is not quite yet
    a Murdoch property, but its editorial board has had its own show on Fox News
    since 2006.

    During the 1990s, the Journal editorial board published so much dirt about the
    Clintons that it put the paper’s brand on an encyclopedic six-volume anthology
    titled “A Journal Briefing – Whitewater.” You’d think the controversies
    surrounding “America’s Mayor” are at least as sexy as the carnal scandals and
    alleged drug deals The Journal investigated back then. This month a Journal
    reporter not on its editorial board added the government of Qatar to the small
    list of known Giuliani Partners clients, among them the manufacturer of
    OxyContin. We’ll see if such journalism flourishes in the paper’s Murdoch era.

    But beyond New York’s dailies and The Village Voice, the national news media,
    conspicuously the big three television networks, have rarely covered Mr.
    Giuliani much more aggressively than Mr. Murdoch’s Fox News has. They are more
    likely to focus on Mr. Giuliani’s checkered family history than the questions
    raised by his record in government and business. It’s astounding how many are
    willing to look the other way while recycling those old 9/11 videos.

    One exception is The Chicago Tribune, which last month on its front page
    revisited the story of how, after Mr. Giuliani left office, his mayoral papers
    were temporarily transferred to a private, tax-exempt foundation run by his
    supporters and financed with $1.5 million from mostly undisclosed donors. The
    foundation, which shares the same address as Giuliani Partners, copied and
    archived the records before sending them back to New York’s municipal archives.
    Historians told The Tribune there’s no way to verify that the papers were
    returned to government custody intact. Mayor Bloomberg has since signed a law
    that will prevent this unprecedented deal from being repeated.

    Journalists, like generals, love to refight the last war, so the unavailability
    of millions of Hillary Clinton’s papers has received all the coverage the
    Giuliani campaign has been spared. But while the release of those first lady
    records should indeed be accelerated, it’s hard to imagine many more scandals
    will turn up after six volumes of “Whitewater,” an impeachment trial and the
    avalanche of other investigative reportage on the Clintons then and now.

    The Giuliani story, by contrast, is relatively virgin territory. And with the
    filing of a lawsuit by a vengeful eyewitness who was fired from her job, it may
    just have gained its own reincarnation of Linda Tripp.



  11. From hapi22:

    I don’t always like everything Frank Rich writes, or even everything
    Paul Krugman writes, but I say thank god for both of them as they are
    almost “lone voices in the wilderness” trying to ALERT Americans to the
    truth about Rudolph Giuliani before it is too late.

    One place I would challenge Frank Rich on and that is his labeling
    Giuliani’s social views as “liberal.” When Giuliani was running for NYC
    mayor, he KNEW he could never get elected in New York City UNLESS he
    took “liberal” positions, so he did. But when people, now, say
    Giuliani’s social positions are “liberal” or even “moderate, they are
    NOT paying attention.

    On abortion: Giuliani has PROMISED to appoint justices to the U.S.
    Supreme Court “in the mold of” Scalia, Alito, and Roberts — in other
    words, justices who would be GUARANTEED to lessen or eliminate a
    “woman’s right to choose.” How the heck is that a “liberal” or
    “moderate” position on abortion?

    [NOTE: Rudy also promised to stack the federal courts with judges
    the Federalist Society approves of: “… but I’m going to give you
    200 reasons why the next election is really important. It’s the 200
    federal judges that the next President of the United States will
    likely appoint over four years in the White House…. I think you’re
    going to see 200 decisions of judges who are like those judges who
    really began the reason for the Federalist Society in the first
    place…. Let me assure you that if I am the President of the United
    States every single one of those decisions will be made very
    carefully, very deliberately with the advice of people like Ted

    On gun control: When Giuliani wanted to be NYC mayor, he ridiculed the
    gun-rights people as “extremists” and swore to get guns away from New
    Yorkers, except for the cops. Giuliani was fervently FOR strong
    gun-control laws. Now, he has done a 180 and says he is a strong
    supporter of the Second Amendment and also says that amendment
    guarantees Americans have the right to own guns — and that he is
    against gun-control laws. How the heck is that a “liberal” or “moderate”
    position on gun control?

    On gays: When Giuliani was NYC mayor, he was FOR gay rights and had gay
    friends whom he promised to marry if such marriages were to be made
    legal. But, on a February 2004 edition of Fox News’s ‘The O’Reilly
    Factor,’ Giuliani told Bill O’Reilly, when asked if he supported gay
    marriage, “Marriage should be reserved for a man and a woman.” Giuliani
    also recently said he would NOT be in favor of current federal hate
    crimes legislation that protects gays. How the heck is that a “liberal”
    or “moderate” position on gay rights?

    On Illegal immigrants: In 1994, when Giuliani was NYC mayor — and the
    U.S. senate was trying to pass legislation that would have cracked down
    on illegal immigrants and would have made NYC report to the federal
    government about illegal immigrants — Rudolph Giuliani OPPOSED THAT
    LAW and said to illegal immigrants: “If you come here and you work hard
    and you happen to be in an undocumented status, you’re one of the people
    who WE WANT in this city. You’re somebody that we WANT to PROTECT, and
    we WANT you to get out from under what is often a life of being a
    fugitive.” Now that Giuliani wants to be president, he promises: “I
    will end illegal immigration and secure our borders without granting
    amnesty” Of course, being Rudolph Giuliani., he does NOT tell us HOW he
    would “end illegal immigration” or “secure our borders.” But Giuliani
    has certainly turned on its head his welcoming attitude toward illegal
    immigrants. Now, that is PURE PANDERING FOR VOTES.


  12. From garymyrick:

    Make no mistake about it. The major media conglomerates WANT Rudy Giliani to
    win. There are numerous indications that they stared PLANNING his victory a long
    time ago.

    To illustrate what Democrats are up against, here is a recent example, in which
    ABC-Disney News outrageously conflates the 9/11 firefighters who oppose Giuliani
    with the infamous SWIFTBOAT gang.

    (Also notice how they once again spread the bull about Giuliani being “liberal
    on social issues”, I guess that is why he just promised to put more Alitos and
    Scalias on the Supreme Court.)

    It is time – NOW – for all Democrats to settle down, get behind the candidate
    who has the best chance of winning (even if they have some severe faults), and
    start worrying about PREVENTING a GIULIANI CORONATION by his very powerful
    corporate-fascist henchmen and allies.


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